With the closing of the Bottom Line, the guitar-strumming stalwarts of the singer-songwriter genre may have thought they had lost their last reliable Manhattan showcase. But as if calibrated to make the most of all the Bob Dylan news, this season offers two new stages for folk, one of which is very far in spirit from that dusty old nightclub.

Carnegie Hall will initiate "City Folk Live at Zankel," and the Chelsea nightclub Satalla will feature "Under the Radar." Both series are developed with one of the genre's strongholds: WFUV (90.7 FM), Fordham University's public radio station.

Ara Guzelimian, Carnegie Hall's artistic adviser, said that after Zankel Hall opened in 2003, he decided to broadened the scope of musical offerings. That included folk, which WFUV has supported since the late 1980's.

Rita Houston, the station's music director, will be "picking all the artists from a fan's point of view," she said. The season of four concerts starts on Oct. 27 with Suzanne Vega, followed by Richard Shindell and Lucy Kaplansky on Nov. 18, Jane Siberry in March and Dan Bern in April.

Ticket sales for "City Folk Live at Zankel" have been strong, Ms. Houston said, and she has already been asked to plan for a 2006-7 season.

All of which comes as good news, Ms. Vega said: "It's hard for people without big record deals or large followings to find venues to play at, and Carnegie Hall has that reputation - the association gives a nice luster to the singer-songwriting name."

The monthly "Under the Radar" series at Satalla, at 37 West 26th Street, began in September and continues on Nov. 8 with a triple bill featuring two finalists from this year's Mountain Stage NewSong Contest - Ina May Wool and the contest winner, KJ Denhert - and Terence Martin. The series is programmed by John Platt, host of "City Folk Sunday Breakfast." "Often a lot of these artists play at places outside of the city," Mr. Platt said, "but getting a date at a venue like Satalla can be akin to a seal of approval on their careers."